[Misc] Pope Francis - RIP

[ROSM]

Vatican TV commencing with auditions on Pope Idol!

Public vote time

I'm going for Popey McPopeface

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I'm an atheist but I saw him as a decent and serious man in a time of idiots and monsters. RIP.

He seemed to me to be everything a man of God should be, humble, compassionate, totally selfless and caring about matters of justice, the planet and everything that matters.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Pope Paul vi died in the heat of high summer and apparently stunk st Peters out

The Papal equivalent of Josh Widdicombe at the Edinburgh Festival

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I don’t want to derail the RIP thread so this is a debate for another time.

Pope Francis spoke out in many ways to reform the RC position on many things and although nothing changed doctrinally, was a much loved Pope of integrity and passion - I think he engendered a lot of respect from Catholics and non-Catholics worldwide.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a swing back towards a much more conservative, anti-liberal Pontiff.

I have little doubt this will be the case….. but hope it won’t be.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

 

[Jackthelad]

Since it has been brought up (women priests, and which is more right wing, Catholicism or Islam, and why don't 'the left' criticize Islam's conservatism like they criticize Catholicism).....

Catholicism is the largest religion of 'the west'.
Many people who are left and liberal believe in a Catholic god.
Some who are gay or female would like to feel more part of their church.
So liberalizing the Catholic church is a topic of discussion among Catholics, with advocacy from the Catholic left.

If this seems out of kilter with Islam, there are several obvious reasons.

Islam is not a religion of 'the west'.
Few people who are left and liberal believe in Allah.
There may be gay and female 'western' Muslims who would like to feel more part of their 'church'. But I have never met any.
So liberalizing Islam is not much of a topic of discussion among Muslims, with no obvious advocacy from an Islamic left.

Of course it is possible that non-Catholic lefties criticize Catholicism for being reactionary and right wing.
Well, they would, wouldn't they?
Likewise non-Islamic lefties criticize Islam for being reactionary and right wing.

But do non-Catholic right-wingers criticize Catholicism for being reactionary and right wing?
Generally not.
Meanwhile, non-Catholic right wingers seem to bang on about Islam all the time.
Fancy that!

You have every right to criticise Islam or Christianity within the boundaries of the law of course. So being part of the community doesn’t matter. All religions should be defended or criticised by the left you have the right to do that.

 

[Anger]

But Hiney already has the hat

Fair. But can @Hiney climb two flights of stairs unaided and drink only very, very fine wine?

 

[Madafwo]

Since it has been brought up (women priests, and which is more right wing, Catholicism or Islam, and why don't 'the left' criticize Islam's conservatism like they criticize Catholicism).....

Catholicism is the largest religion of 'the west'.
Many people who are left and liberal believe in a Catholic god.
Some who are gay or female would like to feel more part of their church.
So liberalizing the Catholic church is a topic of discussion among Catholics, with advocacy from the Catholic left.

If this seems out of kilter with Islam, there are several obvious reasons.

Islam is not a religion of 'the west'.
Few people who are left and liberal believe in Allah.
There may be gay and female 'western' Muslims who would like to feel more part of their 'church'. But I have never met any.
So liberalizing Islam is not much of a topic of discussion among Muslims, with no obvious advocacy from an Islamic left.

Of course it is possible that non-Catholic lefties criticize Catholicism for being reactionary and right wing.
Well, they would, wouldn't they?
Likewise non-Islamic lefties criticize Islam for being reactionary and right wing.

But do non-Catholic right-wingers criticize Catholicism for being reactionary and right wing?
Generally not.
Meanwhile, non-Catholic right wingers seem to bang on about Islam all the time.
Fancy that!

What about inverted wingers? Also, won't somebody think of the wing backs!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Fair. But can @Hiney climb two flights of stairs unaided and drink only very, very fine wine?

Only if he's an Amex card holder. Tho he can bring three cardinals up with him as guests on matchdays

 

[Albion my Albion]

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JD (No Ad)Vance: This will teach you to criticize American Tariff policy.

Pope: Did you pay the Vatican City tariff on that sickle?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

JD (No Ad)Vance: This will teach you to criticize American Tariff policy.

Pope: Did you pay the Vatican City tariff on that sickle?

As Paul Merton revealed on HIGNFY last week, JD stands for Jumbo Dickhead.

I really am troubled by the notion that JD Vance is one of the last major figures, if not the last, on the world stage with whom the Pope met.

 

[Blue3]

Since it has been brought up (women priests, and which is more right wing, Catholicism or Islam, and why don't 'the left' criticize Islam's conservatism like they criticize Catholicism).....

Catholicism is the largest religion of 'the west'.
Many people who are left and liberal believe in a Catholic god.
Some who are gay or female would like to feel more part of their church.
So liberalizing the Catholic church is a topic of discussion among Catholics, with advocacy from the Catholic left.

If this seems out of kilter with Islam, there are several obvious reasons.

Islam is not a religion of 'the west'.
Few people who are left and liberal believe in Allah.
There may be gay and female 'western' Muslims who would like to feel more part of their 'church'. But I have never met any.
So liberalizing Islam is not much of a topic of discussion among Muslims, with no obvious advocacy from an Islamic left.

Of course it is possible that non-Catholic lefties criticize Catholicism for being reactionary and right wing.
Well, they would, wouldn't they?
Likewise non-Islamic lefties criticize Islam for being reactionary and right wing.

But do non-Catholic right-wingers criticize Catholicism for being reactionary and right wing?
Generally not.
Meanwhile, non-Catholic right wingers seem to bang on about Islam all the time.
Fancy that!

My grandfather Was Jew my father was Church of England while I was brought up Catholic which was my mums faith talk about confused

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Person on R5 said she was shocked when she heard the news. Really? I'll leave it there.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

President Trump’s response less than magnanimous. I guess words like humility and compassion aren’t really in his vocabulary, and he can’t find a nice way to say “woke loser”.

polar opposites!

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

Sweet dreams my little amigo
Barefoot and homeless in Rio De Janiero
Sleepin' on the step of a church
Whose doors are locked
Livin' in a cardboard box
Inside at the shrine
The Priest sips fine wine
Dines on fine food and looks for a sign
No mother no father
No shoes nor a bed
No place to relax and rest his weary head
Where his next meal will come from
Nobody knows
But everyone can see the church is covered in gold

 

[Wardy's twin]

Some strange and antiquated views expressed by some.

I am a lapsed catholic i.e. i don't go to church but it taught me some 'standards' about how to behave which I adhere to. Yes not all the preachers practised what they preached but that is because they are human nor am I condoning some behaviours which were down right criminal, in reality they were nothing to do with religion but abuse of power which happens in many (all) institutionalised organisations.

Newman still has RE lessons but these cover all religions. I told my kids if you don't like the concept of religious studies just treat it as a social history session.

 

[Knocky's Nose]

Big Sam coming in 'til the end of the season apparently...

 

[pay no mind]

Fair. But can @Hiney climb two flights of stairs unaided and drink only very, very fine wine?

Of course he can. That, however, is the face of a man who requires the assistance of two nuns to get out of a chair.

 

[Questions]

If his faith is any good he will be up and running again in the morning.

That will only work if he believes in God.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Sweet dreams my little amigo
Barefoot and homeless in Rio De Janiero
Sleepin' on the step of a church
Whose doors are locked
Livin' in a cardboard box
Inside at the shrine
The Priest sips fine wine
Dines on fine food and looks for a sign
No mother no father
No shoes nor a bed
No place to relax and rest his weary head
Where his next meal will come from
Nobody knows
But everyone can see the church is covered in gold

That doesn’t reflect the lifestyle or the attitudes of Pope Francis at all.

in fact quite the opposite. He would have been looking after the little amigo.