[Politics] Small boats, smashing the criminal gangs and the UK job market

[Ike and Tina Burner]

Equally, it could be that you're feeble minded enough to have been conned into believing every word that malignant racist actors and Russian bots continually spew into right wing echo chambers, to the extent you'll parrot their hateful bile on sites like this one.
I mean, at least consider the possibility.

Okay. My view is that Islam is a homophobic and misogynistic religion and many of it's followers strongly hold to those ideals. The idea that I've been convinced by a Russian troll farm and not the very obvious, self evident, nature of those things is very interesting. I'll give it some thought.

 

[Justice]

If they are in true need I support it but only if they share our British values. The problem is some of these people coming from countries like Syria etc may not. Hostility towards gay people, treating women like 2nd class citizens support for sharia law & potentially even prescribed terrorist groups etc

Background checks are needed. The people are not all nice, there will be some bad apples.

What are British values? I ask because this came up in a conversation at work.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You understand how democracy works though, right? If people with these views vote in large numbers things can change. Which is why we shouldn't allow people with these views into the country.

No it isn't. People who treat women like cattle and want homosexuality outlawed don't hold British values and shouldn't be allowed to live here.

This is just juvenile. You're entitled to the country your born in even if you don't hold it's values. If someone is born here with shit views we have to live with them. We shouldn't be living with anyone with shit views that we don't have to. Simple

I have lived in the North amongst Muslims, and found them to be good neighbours. Obviously, in every part of society there are good and bad people.
Over 80% of those claiming asylum obtain it, so the Home Office must be checking their stories.

Just as an aside, I find it interesting that your concern is for the welfare of women, yet your username reflects a man who brutalised his wife.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Okay. My view is that Islam is a homophobic and misogynistic religion and many of it's followers strongly hold to those ideals. The idea that I've been convinced by a Russian troll farm and not the very obvious, self evident, nature of those things is very interesting. I'll give it some thought.

It can be.

Just like Christianity.

It depends who's practicing it.

Bertrand Russell wrote that Islam is the most liberal of all religions, tolerant of other faiths in a way not seen with Christianity for example.
That was before some Islamic sects invented the fatwa (this was relatively recent).

So your view is somewhat one-eyed.
You are of course entitled to your own opinion

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I have lived in the North amongst Muslims, and found them to be good neighbours. Obviously, in every part of society there are good and bad people.
Over 80% of those claiming asylum obtain it, so the Home Office must be checking their stories.

Just as an aside, I find it interesting that your concern is for the welfare of women, yet your username reflects a man who brutalised his wife.

What did I just say about 'one-eyed'?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

What are British values? I ask because this came up in a conversation at work.

Football, six pints and a massive hot curry.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

What a load of absolute shit. Genuinely quite disgraceful. Are you both completely ignorant of what their countries of origin are like or are you being deliberately thick to score points? Do you know what some of these people believe?
Nobody on the UK right wants to throw gay men from rooftops or essentially own the women they're married to. They don't want adulterers stoned or put in prison. I highly doubt any believe that rape is a social construct that doesn't really exist (an actual conversation I've had with a muslim bloke from Bangladesh). Reminder that something like 50% of UK Muslims believe that homosexuality should be illegal. If you want to continue to welcome them into the UK we have to at least screen the most extreme out.

Not just one-eyed but completely bonkers it seems.



Having had my British Values affronted, I will now exercise one of my British Rights and put you on ignore.

 

[Pavilionaire]

As with so many separate, disparate issues the British people and the British media never look at the rest of the world to get perspective on the problem.

We are not the only major European nation with an illegal migrants on boats crisis. According to the Associated Press:

In 2024, Spain received a record number of migrants who crossed illegally via sea, with more than 61,000 people having arrived on boats. Nearly 47,000 of those landed in the Canary Islands. They included several thousand unaccompanied minors.

The islands are roughly 65 miles (105 kilometers) from the closest point in Africa, but to avoid security forces, many migrants attempt longer journeys that can take days or weeks. The majority last year departed from Mauritania, which is at least 473 miles (762 kilometres) from the closest Canary Island, El Hierro.

Similarly, Italy has blocked nearly 200,000 migrants from crossing the Mediterranean since Giorgia Meloni's Government came to power two years ago.

 

[SouthSaxon]

"People who think gay people should be killed should be stopped from entering the UK" warrents that response apparently.

You're so shortsighted and ignorant it terrifies me. The Muslim Vote, a campaign group which urges Muslim voters to vote on a certain basis, said in a social media clip last month that it is “playing to win” at all future elections’ Sectarianism has no place in Britain nor does anyone who practices it. It’s a cancer that needs to be removed before it metastasises.

As per, you are entirely free to think I am shortsighted and ignorant, but you seem to be terrified very easily. Perhaps one day I will "wake up". In the meantime, have you ever read about international law and human rights, or looked at what the UDHR or ECHR say? I have, so maybe come back at me once you've done likewise and had a bit of a think about it.

 

[Ike and Tina Burner]

As per, you are entirely free to think I am shortsighted and ignorant, but you seem to be terrified very easily. Perhaps one day I will "wake up". In the meantime, have you ever read about international law and human rights, or looked at what the UDHR or ECHR say? I have, so maybe come back at me once you've done likewise and had a bit of a think about it.

I have lived in the North amongst Muslims, and found them to be good neighbours. Obviously, in every part of society there are good and bad people.
Over 80% of those claiming asylum obtain it, so the Home Office must be checking their stories.

Just as an aside, I find it interesting that your concern is for the welfare of women, yet your username reflects a man who brutalised his wife.

I'll be succinct and honest in my view to save some time. I don't believe that Islam, en masse (I emphasise en masse), is compatible with any liberal, free society. As the share of our society trends more Muslim we will see that play out in the nature of sectarianism and liberal social norms being pushed against. This is already happening but is being actively ignored by the left. Everything you've said is basically just noise that ignores how things actually are

 

[Jackthelad]

It can be.

Just like Christianity.

It depends who's practicing it.

Bertrand Russell wrote that Islam is the most liberal of all religions, tolerant of other faiths in a way not seen with Christianity for example.
That was before some Islamic sects invented the fatwa (this was relatively recent).

So your view is somewhat one-eyed.
You are of course entitled to your own opinion

Christianity doesn’t have a tax that non Christians must pay. Islamic Iraq has now allowed laws for very young children to be married. We see Coptic Christians girls kidnapped in large numbers in Islamic Egypt. I could go on and on. Are most Muslims in Britain peaceful I would say yes, is Islam an improvement on Christianity for society… no chance.

 

[BRIGHT ON Q]

Not dreaming of it, but it's still possible...and not hugely unlikely.

Not just one-eyed but completely bonkers it seems.



Having had my British Values affronted, I will now exercise one of my British Rights and put you on ignore.

Do you think it upsets them when you put them on ignore? Do they even know?

 

[birthofanorange]

Do you think it upsets them when you put them on ignore? Do they even know?

Not sure why you've quoted me from the 'Fab Out' thread....

 

[Ike and Tina Burner]

Do you think it upsets them when you put them on ignore? Do they even know?

He's been on my ignore for months. I see him ignoring me as vindication if anything.

 

[BRIGHT ON Q]

Not sure why you've quoted me from the 'Fab Out' thread....

Sorry about that!

 

[Chicken Run]

Do you think it upsets them when you put them on ignore? Do they even know?

Who knows but the facility would be even better if by ignoring it even removed these

 

[Berty23]

Okay. My view is that Islam is a homophobic and misogynistic religion and many of it's followers strongly hold to those ideals. The idea that I've been convinced by a Russian troll farm and not the very obvious, self evident, nature of those things is very interesting. I'll give it some thought.

This is why I find it so weird that reform and Tommy fans hate Islam so much. Loads of the extreme views are the same from extremists in these areas.

My Muslim neighbours are great and don’t share those extremist views. As with so much in life it is how things are interpreted. The Old Testament of the bible is not exactly nice.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Do you think it upsets them when you put them on ignore? Do they even know?

It upsets some, angers others, triggers mockery in some and indifference in others.

So I have been told.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Christianity doesn’t have a tax that non Christians must pay. Islamic Iraq has now allowed laws for very young children to be married. We see Coptic Christians girls kidnapped in large numbers in Islamic Egypt. I could go on and on. Are most Muslims in Britain peaceful I would say yes, is Islam an improvement on Christianity for society… no chance.

Good grief.
I hope I didn't give the impression that I thought Islam is better than Christianity.
The point I was trying to make is that all faiths are open to interpretation and manipulation,
from the hand-choppers and child rapist through to the abortion clinic bombers.

I often say to my students that the problem with science is that human beings 'do' it (often badly).
The problem with religion is that it is all made up by human beings, so it will often become whatever who shouts loudest says it is.

I don't 'do' religion.
The idea of paying homage to an imaginary being, and following instructions from people who claim to have met him,
is utter madness as far as I am concerned.

Those who obtain private comfort from some sort of unproven belief system are fine by me,
especially when they don't discuss their beliefs with me.

But those who impose rules on others based on their own religious beliefs are dirty rotters as far as I am concerned.
That includes the British state until recent decades, who waved god and the queen in everyone's face.

I am happy to swear allegiance to our nation, but not to a priest or monarch.

 

[The Clamp]

Would be nice if we could find some sort of healthy middle ground between sending them to El Salvador death camps and accommodating any paedo or phone thief that fancies chancing their arm on a flimsy dinghy crossing.