[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[SouthSaxon]

I’m not sure about that, although the thought has certainly crossed my mind.

There’s a big difference between what the US has currently been doing (chatting shit and trying to extort Ukraine as “repayment” of US aid) and switching to provide direct assistance to Russia.

What impact would that have on US relationships across Europe, defence and intelligence contracts, global trade and the US economy?

 

[The Clamp]

I’m not sure about that, although the thought has certainly crossed my mind.

There’s a big difference between what the US has currently been doing (chatting shit and trying to extort Ukraine as “repayment” of US aid) and switching to provide direct assistance to Russia.

What impact would that have on US relationships across Europe, defence and intelligence contracts, global trade and the US economy?

RE your last sentence; have you not seen what Trump has been doing this last four months?

 

[The Clamp]

The U.S. keeping the Russian army fighting fit for their joint war against Ukraine.


From the OEC website;

Overview​

In January 2025, United States exported $34.9M and imported $196M from Russia, resulting in a negative trade balance of $161M. Between January 2024 and January 2025 the exports of United States increased by $4.95M (16.5%) from $30M to $34.9M, while imports decreased by $47.8M (19.6%) from $244M to $196M.

Trade​

In January 2025, the top exports of United Statesto Russia were Vaccines, blood, antisera, toxins and cultures ($12.7M), Other Edible Preparations ($4.47M), and Medical Instruments ($3.22M). In the same month, the main imports of United States from Russia were Platinum ($84.8M), Nitrogenous Fertilizers($66.4M), and Potassic Fertilizers ($18.5M).

Growth​

In January 2025, the year-on-year growth in United States's exports to Russia was driven mainly by exports of Vaccines, blood, antisera, toxins and cultures ($3.63M or 39.9%), Packaged Medicaments ($1.97M or 162%), and Other Edible Preparations ($1.57M or 54%). Meanwhile, in the same month, the drop in United States's imports from Russia was mainly attributed to imports of Insulated Wire ($-408k or -99.3%), Gas Turbines ($-9.95M or -71.2%), and Radioactive Chemicals ($-132M or -98.9%).

 

[Triggaaar]

My fear is that Russia and the U.S. come to some territory arrangement without consulting Ukraine.

They divvy up Russian occupied Ukraine territory and then the US fights against Ukraine in defence of Russia when Ukraine try to defend their country against having their land stolen.

And what would the US fighting against Ukraine entail?

 

[SouthSaxon]

RE your last sentence; have you not seen what Trump has been doing this last four months?

Of course, that’s my point exactly - he’s been causing chaos and frequently changing his approach, not sticking to a plan.

We have seen from the tariffs debacle that he can be forced to back down quickly.

He withdrew aid and intelligence from Ukraine and then restored it days later. Since then, all he’s done is bleat about the minerals deal.

Providing direct support to Russia is something there can be no turning back from. I think even the idiots in his team would understand this.

They will also know the level of opposition this would meet domestically and that it’s a fight they would almost certainly lose.

Then you have the fact that US foreign policy is designed entirely around countering China - as per the Project 2025 report.

 

[Eric the meek]

Back to the reality of today's economic backdrop:

 

[The Clamp]

And what would the US fighting against Ukraine entail?

Mainly sanctions against Ukraine. More support to the Russian army.

 

[fly high]

Back to the reality of today's economic backdrop:

Interesting the view that OPEC+ is increasing oil production to deliberately to affect US oil.

 

[fly high]

Mainly sanctions against Ukraine. More support to the Russian army.

Don't believe they would directly support Russian military but certainly sanction Ukraine & lift sanctions to Russia.

 

[The Clamp]

Don't believe they would directly support Russian military but certainly sanction Ukraine & lift sanctions to Russia.

They armed Iraq with “machine tools”. No reason to believe they wouldn’t directly arm Russia and try to keep it quiet.

 

[Eric the meek]

Interesting the view that OPEC+ is increasing oil production to deliberately to affect US oil.

A by-product of increasing oil production may also be increasing difficulties for the Russian economy.

If the tales of Russia's money running out are true, then we should expect the signs of this to become evident in accounts from the Russian front line - troops complaining about lack of kit and lack of decent supply vehicles etc. There may also be tales of Heath Robinson type solutions to getting troops and kit to the front, such as private cars, scooters, motor bikes, livestock etc and increasing numbers of casualties.

Please can you all keep a look out for these signs.

 

[The Clamp]

Back to the reality of today's economic backdrop:

Hmm.

Every few weeks somebody online reports that Russia are running out of funds.

They’re not.

Look how much the USA have already paid this year for Russian imports.

And look at the stuff the U.S. are exporting to Russia:

Vaccines.

Blood.

“Prepared meals”.

“Prepared meals” are field rations.


I don’t think anyone’s getting a prize for guessing what the blood is for.

The U.S. is already supplying Russia with the means to wage war against Ukraine.

Wake up world. This is Ukraine Vs USA and Russia.

 

[Eric the meek]

Hmm.

Every few weeks somebody online reports that Russia are running out of funds.

They’re not.

Look how much the USA have already paid this year for Russian imports.

And look at the stuff the U.S. are exporting to Russia:

Vaccines.

Blood.

“Prepared meals”.

“Prepared meals” are field rations.


I don’t think anyone’s getting a prize for guessing what the blood is for.

The U.S. is already supplying Russia with the means to wage war against Ukraine.

Wake up world. This is Ukraine Vs USA and Russia.

That's all humanitarian stuff. Not weapons.

 

[The Clamp]

That's all humanitarian stuff. Not weapons.

I didn’t say it was weapons.

But yes. You’re right.

I’m sure all that “humanitarian” assistance is reaching civilians. No way would it diverted to troops in the war zone. Russia have a reputation of playing by the rules.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

My fear is that Russia and the U.S. come to some territory arrangement without consulting Ukraine.

They divvy up Russian occupied Ukraine territory and then the US fights against Ukraine in defence of Russia when Ukraine try to defend their country against having their land stolen.

Ain’t going to happen. There is a significant number of republican who are very anti Putin and the neither the military nor the defence companies will want anything to do with Putin. The final thing is Putin is not a well man and his days are numbered.

 

[The Clamp]

Ain’t going to happen. There is a significant number of republican who are very anti Putin and the neither the military nor the defence companies will want anything to do with Putin. The final thing is Putin is not a well man and his days are numbered.

I hope so

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Interesting the view that OPEC+ is increasing oil production to deliberately to affect US oil.

Makes perfect sense. It weakens the US and Russia but helps everyone else.

 

[Eric the meek]

I’m sure all that “humanitarian” assistance is reaching civilians. No way would it diverted to troops in the war zone. Russia have a reputation of playing by the rules.

You wrote that in sarcasm, but you are probably correct on that point. Russian commanding officers would have sold off any humanitarian supplies. Why give them to troops on the front line, who will soon die anyway?

 

[SeagullinExile]

Ain’t going to happen. There is a significant number of republican who are very anti Putin and the neither the military nor the defence companies will want anything to do with Putin. The final thing is Putin is not a well man and his days are numbered.

Correct. Trump would be toast in the US if he overtly backed Russia.

 

[peterward]

Well this headline is interesting.



It's a Ukrainian independent media channel, and Mrs listened and told me what's alleged more fully.

They have contacts in government and it alleges the US have drawn up two sanctions lists. Smaller of 17 people, all of those around Zelenskyy, and a much larger one that includes many people involved in construction companies or in Ukrainian energy infrastructure companies and most of Ukraines wider political class.

They are privately threatening to sanction if they don't get their economic rape/extortion deal.

One of the other potentially interesting things they highlight, are 2 people not on the sanctions lists.

Davyd Arakhamia is the parliamentary faction leader of Zelenskyys "servant of the people" party and he's not on either list, and is well known to be good friends with Donald Trump Junior.

And on the wider list, also missing is former President Poroshenko, who it's well documented was one of those the US privately tapped up a few weeks back after the oval office hatchet job.

The guy in video asks if it is Arakhmia and/or Poroshenko who have helped draw up these lists?

How accurate, who knows, but interesting.