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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
- Start date
- Nov 11, 2009
- 13,045
Its a total surrender/capitulation deal for Ukraine, where Trump gets to feed.on their carcass too.
Art of the appeasement
- Aug 24, 2020
- 8,553
Very good video from Times Radio.
I absolutely loved the hypothetical? question from Ursula von der Leyen to Trump:
'Would you like to be a part of this?' (referring to the proposed enormous investment in defence). This question is so loaded. It has so much meaning, and so many implications.
Trump is being offered a way back from the failure of his deal. He is being invited into the fold, which by default, won't be on Russia's side. He isn't being offered a leading role. He will be a junior partner. The major partners will be European (sans UK, unless the EU agrees).
The soft power and the ascent of Europe.
- Jan 25, 2025
- 863
I'd say that's likely to be the same location. I'd guess the Russians cleared out of there before it could be hit, but still good work from Ukraine to show their ability to strike it.
- Jan 25, 2025
- 863
Another example of other countries filling the Trump-sized vacuum.
Washie
Well-known member
Hopefully going after the drone operators and any civilians were ok.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 8,553
I knew I had seen the name 'Moscow City' or 'Moskva City' a few days ago. It's out to the west of the centre, containing a few skyscrapers.
This is apparently another attack which couldn't be prevented by anti-aircraft defences. Only this time, it was in Moscow.
Now Ukraine has proof of concept. One of the replies on the Kirzhach attack post suggested we will now see increased hostilities. I'm inclined to agree.
This is apparently another attack which couldn't be prevented by anti-aircraft defences. Only this time, it was in Moscow.
Now Ukraine has proof of concept. One of the replies on the Kirzhach attack post suggested we will now see increased hostilities. I'm inclined to agree.
Cordwainer
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- Jul 30, 2023
- 933
I know it shouldn’t, considering on one side you have the orange halfwit and on the other a genocidal throwback..but the arrogance that both of their countries can come together and dictate to the invaded country what they can and can’t do, utterly staggers me.
fly high
Well-known member
Those Russians who oppose this war definitely. The Russians who fully support Putin's murder & destruction, sorry but give a shit.
The Clamp
Well-known member
Good. Finally. f*** off.
When they realise they’re not getting their hands on Ukrainian resources and land.
www.bbc.co.uk
When they realise they’re not getting their hands on Ukrainian resources and land.
JD Vance says US will 'walk away' unless Ukraine and Russia agree to proposals
Vance issued the warning after top US officials pulled out of London talks aimed at securing a ceasefire.
www.bbc.co.uk
Excellent precedent for an American president who wants to invade Greenland and for China who clearly are going to have a go at Taiwan.
- Jan 25, 2025
- 863
Only if Ukraine agrees to it, which it won’t.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Rubio, Witkoff decline to attend Ukraine peace talks in London
U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff were originally expected to attend, but have since pulled out, U.S. and European officials told the Financial Times.kyivindependent.com
I would go as far as to say that the US involvement in Ukraine regards peace initiatives is meaningless. I don’t believe anyone takes him seriously so it’s just a lot of hot air.
What "on the ground work..." ffs, neither Witkoff nor Vance have been to Ukraine, whereas admittedly Witkoff is off to party with Putin for the 4th time.Good. Finally. f*** off.
When they realise they’re not getting their hands on Ukrainian resources and land.
JD Vance says US will 'walk away' unless Ukraine and Russia agree to proposals
Vance issued the warning after top US officials pulled out of London talks aimed at securing a ceasefire.
Shameful.
And WHAT exactly does Russia give up 'that it currently owns", Vance, you enormous piece of shit?Good. Finally. f*** off.
When they realise they’re not getting their hands on Ukrainian resources and land.
JD Vance says US will 'walk away' unless Ukraine and Russia agree to proposals
Vance issued the warning after top US officials pulled out of London talks aimed at securing a ceasefire.
Russia doesn't own any of Ukraine, a thief doesn't own what he's taken.
Please, please you malevolent US team of appeasers...just pull out and make your deals with Putin.
About 2/3 way through, Pearce says the US has just closed the department that had been compiling Russian war crimes against Ukraine; and remember they had already closed the department that had (successfully) been helping to identify and return some of the stolen children.
It's clear that Trump policy is to COVER UP Russian war crimes, to say they never happened, so they're no embarrassment to him as he follows his path of 'Putin's Apprentice ' (a nice quote from Jonathan Fink of Silicon Curtain).
Statement from Yulia Svyrydenko, deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine, at the beginning of today's meeting in London 
"
As Ukraine’s delegation meets with partners in London today, we reaffirm a principled position: Ukraine is ready to negotiate—but not to surrender.
There will be no agreement that hands Russia the stronger foundations it needs to regroup and return with greater violence. A full ceasefire—on land, in the air, and at sea—is the necessary first step. If Russia opts for a limited pause, Ukraine will respond in kind.
Our people will not accept a frozen conflict disguised as peace. We will never recognize the occupation of Crimea. And if NATO membership is not granted, Ukraine will require binding security guarantees—ones strong enough to deter future aggression, and clear enough to ensure lasting peace"
"
As Ukraine’s delegation meets with partners in London today, we reaffirm a principled position: Ukraine is ready to negotiate—but not to surrender.
There will be no agreement that hands Russia the stronger foundations it needs to regroup and return with greater violence. A full ceasefire—on land, in the air, and at sea—is the necessary first step. If Russia opts for a limited pause, Ukraine will respond in kind.
Our people will not accept a frozen conflict disguised as peace. We will never recognize the occupation of Crimea. And if NATO membership is not granted, Ukraine will require binding security guarantees—ones strong enough to deter future aggression, and clear enough to ensure lasting peace"
Frequent evidence of swathes of Moscow ablaze, and I might be convinced that there is a god.